Question:
solving for n when...?
cutie pie!
2007-04-01 10:37:35 UTC
a) n!/(n-2)! = 930 ~~ I got n= 930 for this ??
b) P(n,5) = 42x P(n,3) ~~ i have no idea where to even start here
Six answers:
Rev Kev
2007-04-01 10:48:12 UTC
a) You can cancel (n-2)! from both. To demonstrate:



n! = n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) * .... 2 * 1

(n-2)! = (n-2) * (n-3) * .... 2 * 1



So, you can cancel out (n-2)! to get n * (n-1). You now have:

n(n-1) = 930

n^2 - n - 930 = 0

(n - 31)(n + 30) = 0

So, n = -30 or n = 31.



Since you can't have factorials of negative numbers, n must equal 31.



b) Write out the Permutations.

P(n, 5) = n!/(n-5)!

42 * P(n, 3) = 42n!/(n-3)!



Set them equal to each other.



n!/(n-5)! = 42n!/(n-3)!



You can cancel the n! to get:

1/(n-5)! = 42/(n-3)!



Examine what (n-3)! means:

(n-3)! = (n-3) * (n-4) * (n-5) * (n-6) *... * 2 * 1

You can see (n-5)! in there, so you know you can cancel (n-5)! to get:

1/1 = 42/(n-3)(n-4)



Get everything on one side to create a quadratic equation:

(n-3)(n-4) = 42

n^2 - 7n +12 = 42

n^2 - 7n - 30 = 0

(n - 10)(n + 3) = 0

So, n = 10 or n = -3.



Once again, we can't have negative solutions, so n must equal 10.
Adam B
2007-04-01 17:52:49 UTC
n!/(n-2)!=930



=>n(n-1)(n-2).../((n-2)(n-3)(n-4)..=930

=>n(n-1)=n^2-n=930

=>n^2-n-930=0



Quadratic solution!



n=(1 +/- sqrt(1+4*930))/2=1/2 +/- 1/2sqrt(3721)

n=1/2 +/- 61/2

n=31 or -30



choose the positive n=31, since factorials are not defined for negative numbers (not at this level anyway!)



The second part of your question's too vague. What's the form of the probability function P(n,m)?
anonymous
2007-04-01 17:46:00 UTC
a) n!/(n-2)! = n*(n-1) = 930

n^2 - n - 930 = 0

(n-31)(n+30) = 0

n= 31

(Ignore the n=-30 answer because the factorial function is only defined for whole numbers)



b) n!/[(n-5)!] = 42*n!/[(n-3)!]

n*(n-1)*(n-2)*(n-3)*(n-4) = 42*n*(n-1)*(n-2)/

(n-3)(n-4) = 42

n^2 - 7n + 12 = 42

n^2 - 7n - 30 = 0

(n-10)(n+3) = 0

n = 10

(Ignore n = -3)
tedfischer17
2007-04-01 17:47:38 UTC
a) That would be for n!/(n-1)!...



n!/(n-2)! = n * (n-1) = 930



n = 31 (easy shortcut -- take the square root and round up, then check the answer)



b) P(n, 5) means n!/(n-5)!. n! is n * n-1 * n-2 * ... Everything from n-5 on down will be cancelled by the (n-5)!, leaving you with just: n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) * (n-4)



Similarly, P(n, 3) leaves you with the first three terms. Thus:

(n-3) * (n-4) = 42

and...

n = 10
_
2007-04-01 17:48:30 UTC
n(n-1)(n-2)!/(n-2)! = 930

cancel out (n-2)!

you got

n(n-1)=930

n^2-n-930=0

(n+30)(n-31)=0

n= -30 not accepted

n=31 accepted
anonymous
2007-04-03 02:16:52 UTC
i have no idea how to do that, but are u taking chemistry throuigh correspondence? because some of those questions look familiar. if you are could u email me or something and we could help eachother out! thanks so much!!, LaLa


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