Question:
The graph of the equation Ax^2 + Bxy + Cy^2 + Dx + Ey + F = 0 is either a conic or degenerate conic. Please g
anonymous
2008-02-01 22:24:36 UTC
The graph of the equation

Ax^2 + Bxy + Cy^2 + Dx + Ey + F = 0

is either a conic or degenerate conic. Please give me an example or two for the "degenerate conic" case. What are the conditions for the graph to be a degenerate conic? What exactly does "a degenerate conic" mean?
Five answers:
Alam Ko Iyan
2008-02-01 22:35:09 UTC
say...



Ax² + Dx + F = 0 ... when you solve this... your graph is either a line or two parallel lines...



in this case your conic is degenerate because you cut it at the edge... and the cone is also degenerate because it becomes a cylinder...



based on the property of B² - 4AC ... this should have been a parabola ... but it is not...



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another example...



2x² + 8y² + 12 = 0



we have

x² + 4y² = -6 ... this cannot happen since the left side are squares and therefore are non-negative...



thus the solution set of this is the empty set...



degenerates ...are lines , a line , a point , or an empty set...





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with or without B, they can be degenerate... the only way to determine them is when you try to get the standard form of the conic... and you infer that you do not get a parabola, ellipse or hyperbola...



(with ellipses or hyperbolas, the cases are usually then the right side is 0 or also a negative number for ellipse.)



thus , eliminate B first... then try to determine the standard form... then you can see if it is degenerate or not...



from the general form... it wont be easy...
Hy
2008-02-02 18:27:05 UTC
An example of a degenerate conic is a pair of intersecting lines. You get this when the plane cutting the cone passes through the vertex of the cone.



e.g. x + 3y -2 = 0 and 2x - y + 1 = 0

Multiply those two expressions together:

(x + 3y -2)(2x - y + 1) = 0

2x^2 - 3y^2 + 5xy - 3x + 5y - 2 = 0



If you look at

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ConicSectionDiscriminant.html

and replace x1 by x, x2 by y, and x3 by 1, you have the form you want, and the discriminant described there is

abc + 2fg - af^2 - bg^2 - ch^2, where for the example I've just given

a = 2, b = -3, c = -2, h = 5/2, g = -3/2, f = 5/2 and so

2*(-3)*(-2) + 2*(5/2)*(-3/2) - 2*25/4 + 3*9/4 + 2*25/4

= 11.25



I thought I remembered that for a degenerate conic the discriminant is zero, but obviously this is not so.



For a circle, a = b = 1, c = -(radius)^2, h=g=f=0

and so discriminant = -r^2. For a general circle,

b = a and h = 0 and g^2 + f^2 > (a^2)c (otherwise it's degenerate), and discriminant = (a^2)c + 2fg - af^2 - ag^2



For the central ellipse

(x^2)/(a^2) + (y^2)/(b^2) = 1,

we have to replace a by b^2, b by a^2, c by (a^2)(b^2), and

g = f = h

and discriminant

= (a^4)(b^4)



Another example of a degenerate conic occurs when the plane not only passes through the vertex of the cone, but also is tangential to the cone. The section is then not a pair of lines, but one line. You could see the form of the equation by squaring the general linear expression:

e.g.

(2x - 4y - 5)^2

= 4x^2 + 16y^2 - 16xy - 20x -40y + 25

Thus a = 4, b = 16, h = -8, g = -10, f = -20, c = 25

and the discriminant is

4*16*25 + 2*(-20)*(-10) - 4*20^2 - 16*10^2 - 25*8^2

= -2800



I don't remember a rule of thumb for determining from the equation what sort of conic section it is. There's a matrix method, but it takes a while.



re YOUR ADDITIONAL QUESTION:



Ax^2 + Cy^2 + Dx + Ey + F = 0

can certainly be a conic section: It can be an ellipse if A, C have the same sign, a circle if they are equal, or a hyperbola if they have opposite signs. Of course, it can also have no real points satisfying it. Because the xy term is missing, we can move F to the right side and complete the squares on the left:

A[x^2 + (D/A)x + (D^2)/(4A^2)]

+ C[y^2 + (E/C)y + (E^2)/(4C^2)]



......... = (D^2)/(4A^2) + (E^2)/(4C^2) - F



If A and C are both positive and the right side is negative, there are no real points on it.

If the right side is zero, then it represents a degenerate conic. The equation could be something like

5(x-2)^2 + (y+4)^2 = 0, which is degenerate because it is just one point, (2, -4)



or 5(x-2)^2 - (y+4)^2 = 0, which is a pair of straight lines intersecting at (2, -4)
hockeynut019
2008-02-01 22:33:33 UTC
http://www.mathwords.com/d/degenerate_conics.htm



All degenerate conic sections have equations of the form...

Ax2 + Bxy + Cy2 + Dx + Ey + F = 0.



So first of all, it's a degenerate conic.



Example.



4x2+5xy+6y2+7x+8y+9=0



Other interesting website to check out that may help..



http://www.ipfw.edu/math/Coffman/pov/lsoc.html



The conditions for a degenerate conic are as follows..

Degenerate Conic - A conic which is not a parabola, ellipse, circle, or hyperbola. These include lines, intersecting lines, and points.



Hope this helps.
genia
2016-05-24 01:57:07 UTC
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Lisa
2008-02-01 22:28:19 UTC
whoa my head hurts


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